Interview: TIM LUCIER of ironclad four-piece KINGSMEN on new record REVENGE. FORGIVENESS. RECOVERY, single NIGHTMARE, the trilogy and more.
Today we are catching up with Rhode Island powerhouse KINGSMEN. After introducing the band back in 2019 and discussing their split EP Split Series #1 released together with label mates ExitWounds alongside new label SharpTone Records, we are now teaming up again with Kingsmen to explore in depth the details and the process behind their new stellar record REVENGE. FORGIVENESS. RECOVERY. out on April 10th, 2020.
Our editor-in-chief Alex had a chat with TIM LUCIER who took some time out of his busy schedule to talk about the journey of perseverance and strength portrayed in the record. Tim opened up about the mindset behind overcoming those challenges and the importance of making music as an outlet for resilience and creativity.
In this interview we also discussed the details of the writing and creative process behind the record, the sound and lyrical inspiration, the symbols and meanings behind video released for NIGHTMARE and how they are related to the trilogy itself, the collaboration with producer Mark Lewis, aspirations and some more stuff.
Our track by track review (Italian) for REVENGE. FORGIVENESS. RECOVERY. is available at: www.sickandsound.it/kingsmen-resilienti-e-armati-fino-ai-denti-debuttano-con-un-superbo-revenge-forgiveness-recovery.
- Hello guys, I’m catching up with you once more after discussing your split EP Split Series #1 and new label SharpTone Records last year. So before sharing the details of your new stellar record, let’s talk about the journey of perseverance and strength portrayed in REVENGE. FORGIVENESS. RECOVERY against the trials and tribulations the band has gone through in the recent past.
The journey has been long and we have been waiting for almost 4 years to put out this record. We have faced disease, death and despair when creating this concept. We are proud to put out this record and can’t wait to get out and tour on this album.
- I would love you to share your thoughts on the mindset that helped you overcoming those challenges, especially the importance of making music as an outlet for resilience and creativity.
Our mindset was determination for change. We wanted to create something that expressed our hardship through the music. If it wasn’t for this band or the music we all would be in a very different state of mind. Having the outlet was incredibly important for us.
- I would love to know more about the symbols and meanings behind video released for track NIGHTMARE. “This music video has a deeper meaning than what’s on the surface“..“our nightmares never really go away, we just have to learn to live with them”, you state on the trailer. Tell me more about the characters, Mary and Mr. Night, and how they are symbolically related to the trilogy REVENGE, FORGIVENESS and RECOVERY.
Nightmare was the introduction to Revenge. Everything from the lyrics, to the imagery and acting portrayed by Mike and Maria (playing as Mr. Night and Mary), all connects to the album’s artwork. It all stems from the idea of this saga, this trilogy that is RFR. In the video, we see a woman (her character name is Mary) who symbolizes revenge. As we begin, she feels a lack of acceptance and defeat. While feeling at a complete loss, she’s pulled into the idea that there’s an easier way to get what she wants. This is introduced to her by Mr. Night, the hypnotic salesman on her television screen. She then falls unknowingly victim to his trap. She believes she has easily gained control over us with no consequence, but we all know this can’t be true, and our Mary doesn’t find out until it’s too late.
You see, Mary is not only symbolic of revenge but of that awful defeated feeling one has when external forces challenge them to the extent in which they cannot handle it. Next thing you know, they are overcome with this false sense of entitlement, hubris, or false accomplishment.
These feelings… deflection, hubris and defeat… Mr. Night is the embodiment of this Mr. Night is that entity, that idea, that forbids you from getting to where you want to go, preventing you from achieving your most wanted dreams. Fact is, we all have to deal with that Devil on our shoulder and in this case, that devil is Mr Night. Everyone’s experienced it. We hear him whispering to us when we least expect it. In the video, The voodoo dolls represent the external forces that we as individuals have had to face and overcome. We’ve all experienced great loss, pain, and struggle more times than we all care to count. But by the end of the video you still see us standing up doing what we love. Despite being covered in blood, tortured, and ultimately killed, there we are. Point is, our nightmares never really go away; we just have to learn to live with them.
The story of Revenge. Forgiveness. Recovery. is a story we all have lived. See, our personal belief is that when tragedy strikes all 3 of these feelings or actions pass through your mind. First, you’re upset and want to correct or destroy whatever upset you (Revenge). Secondly, after feeling like you want revenge for what has happened you tend to enter into a state of forgiveness. During this stage, you’re trying to understand and accept what happened and move on. Last, you finally enter a state of recovery. Recovering is accepting what happened, forgiving what happened and realizing that you can still carry on with your life despite what may have scarred you.
- Let’s further discuss the lyrical inspiration and some more of the specific themes behind the songs.
The theme of the songs came from some personal and general struggles all of us have gone through. Some lyrics come from our deepest and darkest thoughts our worst and best moments. The songs always resemble a higher meaning that we want to get through to the listener.
- Let me just say your record is one of the best releases I have reviewed so far in 2020. There’s an incredible brutal stomp paired with huge choruses, powerful singing and plenty of catchiness and emotion. What was the general writing and creative process approached when you guys sat down and worked on this album to achieve such a remarkable heavy-yet-hooky formula?
We wrote from the heart to be honest. We had a vision of sound and emotion. We didn’t want to be some cliché heavy band. We wanted our album to have a story and make you feel something as you listened from front to back. When we sit to work on tracks it starts with the smallest idea and we slowly build it up. We don’t write a song just because it’s heavy or technical. Feeling something from a track is incredibly inoperable.
- What songs do you consider to be: the heaviest, the most melodic and the most experimental on this record?
World on Fire and Waste Away were written outside of our normal range. Very excited about how those two tracks came out.
- This album was produced in Tennessee where you’ve been working side by side with Mark Lewis (Trivium, DevilDriver, The Black Dahlia Murder, Cannibal Corpse, Whitechapel). How was this collaboration set up in the first place and what was the experience of working with this producer?
Mark reaches out to us pretty crazy actually. Working with Mark changed a lot about us. How we write and how we looked at the sound and image of this band.
- Is there any soundscape, new experimental direction or influence you may want to undertake at some point in the future?
We are working on some new styles and feel to incorporate into future material. If you were a fan of. Until I’ve departed and waste away you will be hearing more of that.
- How do you see yourselves in 5 years’ time, any goals you wish to achieve and aspirations? Let’s dream big.
Download Fest. Multiple tours with Slipknot or Korn. Worldwide takeover.
Kingsmen – Revenge. Forgiveness. Recovery tracklisting:
1. Until I’ve Departed
2. World on Fire
3. Tipping the Scales
5. Waste Away
8. Pleasure In Vengeance
10. Death of the Sixth
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